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by Crazyoldfart - October 22, 2020 at 07:43 PM
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(October 26, 2020 at 07:20 AM)thekilob Wrote:
(October 26, 2020 at 04:01 AM)Crazyoldfart Wrote:
(October 25, 2020 at 06:37 PM)Data_Baron Wrote:

They should post one of the wife of this moron who calls himself a security expert & lies to the FBI & News about people like Greenmoon & others he calls ACTORS, he is the actor, acting like he know something, when he doesn't know shit from Shinola. He can't tell a hacker from a data dealer, how can anyone ever trust him ? I hope Google picks this up so the people he kisses ass on for work, knows about what a damn fool he is.

Ziv Mador? Wait until Crazyoldfart hears about Vinny Troia, LOL

  I already know about him, but at least he seems to have his ducks in a row & is not calling a dude that sells data an ACTOR & saying he is a HACKER, when he is the farthest thing from it. Vinny Troia at least isn't quite that stupid. He's a pain in the ass, but his job is to look out for REAL hackers, not businessman. Shit for brains doesn't know the difference & is selling BULL-SHIT to morons that listen to that dribble. I expect that anyone in security will at least be smart enough to check the FACTS before crying wolf & telling lies. Shit for brains is trying to impress a group of morons that don't know shit from Shinola about hacks.
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(October 27, 2020 at 01:18 PM)Crazyoldfart Wrote:
(October 26, 2020 at 07:20 AM)thekilob Wrote:
(October 26, 2020 at 04:01 AM)Crazyoldfart Wrote:
(October 25, 2020 at 06:37 PM)Data_Baron Wrote:

They should post one of the wife of this moron who calls himself a security expert & lies to the FBI & News about people like Greenmoon & others he calls ACTORS, he is the actor, acting like he know something, when he doesn't know shit from Shinola. He can't tell a hacker from a data dealer, how can anyone ever trust him ? I hope Google picks this up so the people he kisses ass on for work, knows about what a damn fool he is.

Ziv Mador? Wait until Crazyoldfart hears about Vinny Troia, LOL

  I already know about him, but at least he seems to have his ducks in a row & is not calling a dude that sells data an ACTOR & saying he is a HACKER, when he is the farthest thing from it. Vinny Troia at least isn't quite that stupid. He's a pain in the ass, but his job is to look out for REAL hackers, not businessman. Shit for brains doesn't know the difference & is selling BULL-SHIT to morons that listen to that dribble. I expect that anyone in security will at least be smart enough to check the FACTS before crying wolf & telling lies. Shit for brains is trying to impress a group of morons that don't know shit from Shinola about hacks.

Vinny comes to these forums buying, selling and giving away data for free. Only the first thing I said is legal for his purposes. Then, when his website gets hacked and he gets exposed, he denies EVERYTHING despite there being all the proof, so he goes to the media to say "I set up a honeypot and let them hack it!! I modified my own site to add the deface message!!" and they all believe the whitehat security expert. Not much different than the kike trying to impress other kikes.
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(October 27, 2020 at 01:54 PM)thekilob Wrote:
(October 27, 2020 at 01:18 PM)Crazyoldfart Wrote:
(October 26, 2020 at 07:20 AM)thekilob Wrote:
(October 26, 2020 at 04:01 AM)Crazyoldfart Wrote:
(October 25, 2020 at 06:37 PM)Data_Baron Wrote:



They should post one of the wife of this moron who calls himself a security expert & lies to the FBI & News about people like Greenmoon & others he calls ACTORS, he is the actor, acting like he know something, when he doesn't know shit from Shinola. He can't tell a hacker from a data dealer, how can anyone ever trust him ? I hope Google picks this up so the people he kisses ass on for work, knows about what a damn fool he is.



Ziv Mador? Wait until Crazyoldfart hears about Vinny Troia, LOL



  I already know about him, but at least he seems to have his ducks in a row & is not calling a dude that sells data an ACTOR & saying he is a HACKER, when he is the farthest thing from it. Vinny Troia at least isn't quite that stupid. He's a pain in the ass, but his job is to look out for REAL hackers, not businessman. Shit for brains doesn't know the difference & is selling BULL-SHIT to morons that listen to that dribble. I expect that anyone in security will at least be smart enough to check the FACTS before crying wolf & telling lies. Shit for brains is trying to impress a group of morons that don't know shit from Shinola about hacks.



Vinny comes to these forums buying, selling and giving away data for free. Only the first thing I said is legal for his purposes. Then, when his website gets hacked and he gets exposed, he denies EVERYTHING despite there being all the proof, so he goes to the media to say "I set up a honeypot and let them hack it!! I modified my own site to add the deface message!!" and they all believe the whitehat security expert. Not much different than the kike trying to impress other kikes.
 


All of the discussion is basically irrelevant. It's so easy to charge and convict someone through the CFAA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_F..._Abuse_Act), a law written before the WWW and in response to president Reagan being senile and freaking out about the plot of the movie "WarGames" by Matthew Broderick in 1984, ,makes it so easy to portray almost anything that can fit in their very broad definitions as a crime and threaten you with an amount of time that's technically the statutory maximum but you have a literal 0% chance of getting while putting you in a county jail (typically worse than prisons) to coerce you into pleading guilty. This applies to everybody, whatever they call you in the media. A "protected computer" is now every single computer and phone and iot device and they all interact with interstate commerce. This covers potentially every single digital interaction, period.

The law is a joke anyway and Troia isn't getting busted because he's working with the feds and the feds can't operate without someone who can feed them leads and info voluntarily and not employed by them because that gets around evidentiary issues. And if anyone that represents your state/congressional district talks about Section 230 (without which, the internet basically dies since everyone will get banned off every platform, Trump first but soon everyone too), tell them that they're a fucking idiot and focusing on the wrong law and they're too old and tech illiterate to make laws for us. The FBI is not required to prosecute anybody. The police have no duty to protect. It's almost like a stupid game based on rules and a view of tech that was made before most of us were born by quite some time. The more congress writes shitty vague laws the more these agencies like DOJ, FBI, DHS, ICE, whatever have the right to write their own regulations interpreting those laws however they want and enforce it however they want unless it's so arbitrary that it's not even related to the original vague law. But of course this has the opposite effect in a way - if doing anything illegal leads the death of a thousand cuts if caught then there's no point to not do it because there's not a clear enough line to tell whether you're on the right or wrong side of the law until it's too late.

Guy who really knows his shit is https://twitter.com/orinkerr and he's probably the guy who understands the ramifications and applications of the law more than anyone else. He teaches at USC Law. Check out his stuff if you're interested, because frankly, all the discussion is irrelevant because everything can be busted and with the 4th Amendment basically a complete joke and the cops making shit up and stealing crypto and falsifying evidence there's not gonna be differentiation anyway. If they think they got enough on you and it's worth their time, they'll come after you. And if you're overseas, with all the isolationist talk the current administration have done fuck all about not imposing our laws on people in other countries via extradition, not to mention rendition.

Whichever side you are on politically in the US, just know that the feds are not on your side and it's all bullshit pandering done by people who don't know shit about how the real world is, trying to pretend like they're tough on crime and other bullshit, aided by the fact that cops can just break the law and fuck you up and make up shit and get away with it scot free. If a prominent person in the media obviously did something that's close to what Troia did but is out, I automatically assume that either a) statute of limitations - 5 years - have passed, b) he's lying, or c) he's working with the feds, or d) he's too small of a fish to matter. The closest thing we got so far is the calls to defund the police and DHS and ICE because if they can't investigate, well, they can't investigate, money doesn't grown on trees but if the DEA can launder money for the cartels and keep the profits according to their own internal watchdogs and if ICE can just steal money from citizens and not even follow the high legal bar required to prove that you're not a criminal (somehow) and there's no consequence at all while they pass the money around, basically unless all these shitshow alphabet soup feds (who also passes 2-3 billion dollars to local cops a year) and the cops out to keep score and acting to compensate for their dick size by shooting people and torturing people and claim immunity, everybody is a hacker, everybody can be arrested, and our only protection is that they can't get around to everybody.

BLM doesn't go far enough. Abolish the feds, abolish the police. It's like the gun control thing: if you make hacking illegal then only those who don't care and can profit will do it, and there will never be mitigation that outpaces the tech. You don't want election hacking? Let Americans hack other people's elections. No matter how "white hat" you think you are, the feds can indict you on some bullshit, full stop. Everyone better be aware of that. The media, the government, everybody is missing the fucking point except the people calling to abolish. The only good government is a government that doesn't use punitive criminal sanctions to scare its people into submission.
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@horacio I got tired while reading what you wrote.. fortunately i don't speak english and i don't live in america. but i love american dollar :D :D
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